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Processing C-41 at 38°C vs 30°C

3/28/2016

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Following up on the previous post in which I detailed my process for developing C-41, here is a quick experiment trying to develop at 38°C instead of the 30°C I have used until now. According to the feedback I got from experts, there are probably more disadvantages than just the timing when lowering the processing temperatures. You may follow the discussion on APUG for all the details.
Anyway, as a first test, I just developed a piece of the test roll I use to check my chemistry at 38°C to see how the results would compare with a piece of the same roll developed previously at 30°C. The picture on the right shows the two strips side by side photographed on the light table. There are some differences which are visible straight away on those two negatives. The bottom one is a bit more dense and a bit more reddish than the top one. To me this is quite a big difference. Typically I use this test to compare the results I get with with old chemistry with those I get with fresh chemistry. All the other strip I have developed were processed at 30°C and look very close to each others. I really cannot tell the difference by just looking a the negative. 
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The two film strips, one processed at 30°C and one at 38°C.
In order to further compare the results and figure out what kind of differences it make, I scanned the two strips together. It can be tricky to compare negatives by scanning them because the scanner or scanner software always applied some curves and corrections to the images. As far as I can tell, the only way to really make sure the exact same processing is applied to the two negatives is to scan them in a single image. This way, whatever the scanner or software applies to the images we are at least sure that the same is applies to the two things we want to compare. 
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Single scan. White balance and exposure for the top strip.
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Single scan. White balance and exposure for the bottom strip.
The two images above are the same scan but with the white balance and exposure adjusted for either the top or bottom strip. The adjustments are applied to the whole image in order to keep things comparable within each image. I did not try to make the image look especially good but just adjusted the white balance using the grey wall in the middle of the center image and then adjusted the exposure to get exactly the same grey on both strips. This allow to confirm that the bottom strip is brighter (as would be expected from the darker negative). It also shows that there is significantly different color cast on the two strip: when adjusted for the top strip, the bottom one has a cyan cast to it and when adjusted to the bottom one the top one has a red cast to it. This comparison cannot tell which is more "correct" than the other but there is clearly a big difference. 
To try to see if one would look obviously "better" than the other I combined the two adjusted strip into a single image. I was careful when doing the adjustment to only change the white balance and the exposure. I used the grey wall in the middle of the center image to set both the white balance and the exposure. This way, if the two negative would have a big difference in contrast or saturation it would be visible.
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​Looking at the results, the two set of images look pretty similar to me. Maybe the shadows look a bit brighter on the bottom strip. Maybe the highlights look a bit warmer on the top strip. But these are really small differences compared to the color balance and exposure which has been corrected. What do you think? Do you have a favorite? Do you see other differences which I have missed? 
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Two strips adjusted *separately* to have the same white balance and exposure on the center grey wall. No adjustment beyond White balance and exposure.
It is not possible to fully conclude anything from this experiment but I really did not expect to see such a big difference. Is it all because of the processing temperature? Could it be because somehow I did not have the exact right temperature or time? At 30°C I have very very consistent results, all the differences I have ever seen are on the level of tiny differences, never such a big jump in color balance or exposure. I have to process more film at 38°C to see if I get the same consistency. If it is the case, I can then confirm that the big difference I observe here is really related to the temperature of the processing.
Note: One thing I was worried about was having uneven development when developing at 38°C because I have seen a couple of instance of people having the problem. On the piece of film I have developed there are no sign of any issues, that is reassuring. In terms of agitation, I used the stick for the first 10-15 sec and then 2 inversions every 30 sec.
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Conclusion

In terms of the time, the general rule of thumb is that bellow 5min is a bit short to be 100% consistent so I really prefer the longer times when developing at 30°C (8 min vs. 3"15 or 3"30 at 38°C). However, I was assuming that there was no big difference in the results. Ok, it is hard to define "big difference" but if I see the difference just looking at the negative on the light table, it is definitely a big difference!

To further investigate, as of now I am switching to processing my film at 38°C (at least for a while) to see if I notice any difference and how consistent are the results I get. I'll update the previous post with the 38°C process and times I will use.
3 Comments
Roman
4/3/2017 12:55:59 pm

Hi. Very nice and thorough article. I too did such experiments with colortec. I did not notice considerable differences with color or density rendition in my negatives. I try to bring my chemistry to around 30C to have 8 minutes of time. Also I always rate my portra 1 stop less.
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Question: did you try to vary bleaching times? did you find any info on the web on this? I am always having a consistent color cast on my portra, like the blue layer did not develop correctly. Maybe it has to do with the bleaching... I was wandering if anyone wrote up on this. Would appreciate to read your thoughts.

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Frederik
8/7/2017 06:40:19 am

Any updates on the 38C process versus the 30C process?
Is there really any difference when scanning the negatives?
I'm interested due to the potential increase in oxidation reaction speed at higher temperatures. Since I probably won't be processing enough film to use it all within the timeframe recommended.

Thank you.

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SKD
7/21/2020 05:37:31 am

I have now read your blog articles a few times since I started analogue photography and developing a few months ago. I'm now using my second Tetenal 1L kit and quite interested in this. Your last blog post has been awhile now. Have you had any new experience since then? In the discussion at APUG you mentioned that the bottom images are the 38 °C development which I was quite surprised of because theres this green colour cast to the sky.

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